Some ideas for EL.

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Hiya all

I know this board is as good as dead as the EL forums but hopefully we can do something about at least one of those 2 issues

I know I haven't been able to get online much lately but I do check in to the EL forums and here as much as I can and sheesh its dead on the EL forums no a days!

It is rarely more than 5 members online on the EL forums and of those Google and Yahoo are 2 lol

No idea how it is online but if the forums are telling the reality of the game its kinda dead too so I figured why not try to come up with some ideas to improve EL to make it more attractive to new players (and ofc to those that are playing still but mostly newcomers).

If anyone that left EL is reading You stopped playing for a reason, what reason was that and what would make You come back and play EL more?

What I am after are fresh new ideas and not the same old "Change everything back to the way it was 9 years ago" and "remove rostos so PK will be more fun" ideas that have been nagged about for years without anything happening.

Some of the ideas I am thinking about that I think would make EL more fun:

Ok tired and forgetting what it was I was thinking now so that's enough for now

What do You think both about these things I have here and the things You think should be added to EL?

Edit: I chopped this up and made several posts of the suggestions instead so it is easier to read and quote if someone wants to come with built on ideas or just comment on the ones I have.

Got an idea? Make a post and lets discuss it and perhaps even get a nice suggestion up to present to Radu and the rest of EL

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Mini games: When You are harvesting a lot of resources it would be nice to have some kind of mini game to play so You don't get bored.

I usually end up playing flash games or similar while harvesting because it is boring to just sit and stare on the screen or do things in RL just to keep myself busy and not get bored. Talking to friends and in GM can keep You busy for a while but if it dies out You start to do other things than concentrate on the game.

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Game bosses that is spawned in regular times a day/week: A game boss where everyone can join in the fight and benefit from it even though You are low levelled and die loads of times. (Will require changes to the game programming wise so not likely..)

It needs to be automatic and not depended on the mods to set it up, it should be a set time perhaps 1-3 times a day to fit different time zones (maybe add a limit to how many times You can join?) where all the players in EL can attack a Boss creature with very high life amount and strong so it takes a while to kill.

The Boss won't drop a bag of goodies that has to be divided between all those that participated, it should be a reward that will be depended on how much damage You make on the creature and when the creature is dead You will get the reward sent to You automatically.

The rewards can be the Platinum Coins that are already in the game and a special item or items which takes me to my next ideas:

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Add a special shop for Special armours and Weapons:

Add a use for Platinum Coins in EL. We had them for as long as I can remember and they have Never been used for anything!


So adding a special shop where You can use the Platinum Coins that sells special clothing (official custom clothing that can have the same stats as armours but looks cooler) special weapons (same as the armours - can have same stats as weapons in the game but looks cooler) or perhaps even New armours/weapons that can only be gained from the special blacksmiths shop.

(IMO the plat coins should be removed from the NPCs to prevent those that buy GC to buy shitloads of plat coins and then all the new special armours/weapons and the plat coins should Not be trade able! to prevent the sale of them on the black market). I don't want Radu to sell Plat coins in the shop either, this needs to be outside the greed for real money..


The special items can be a magical crystal and/or magical orb that can be used to alter the abilities of the special clothing.

Something like updating the clothes. The special clothing can have a varied amount of updates being made to them and You can also change the stats for them and just to add an example so You get what I mean:

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Updatable Special Armours and Special Ability upgrades:

Special armour #1 gives You an addition of 10 mana as a default.

Using 10k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 2 and the addition of mana will now be +15 mana.

Another 15k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 3 and the addition of mana will now be +20 mana.

and so on to a set amount of levels and + armour. (I am just throwing in some numbers for the idea so You will understand what I mean).


Now the Magical Orbs can be used to change the abilities that the armour has.

This can be a % chance to get one or the other or there can be a set amount of orbs needed to get a set ability change for the special armour:

1st way:

You use 50 Magical Orbs and get a chance to change the Mana ability the armour have to another ability.

This means that You can get Any of the abilities that can be added to the armour and can not chose which one You want but You are able to deny the change if the change is something You do not want but lose the 50 Magical Orbs.

You have Mana but want to change it to the Attack Ability. You use 50 MOs and get a HP ability which You don't want. You use another 50 MOs and hope for the best.

2ns way:

To change the ability to give You better Attack will cost You 50K Magical Orbs and the change is done instantly and can Not be disregarded, You chose to take it and it is definite. Do You want to change to the HP ability instead You will have to spend 30K MOs.

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Add special invasions that are level restricted by themselves:

Have a range of invasions (automated ones like GIWS but random so it aint on the hour) that are level restricted and set Only for that level.

With this I want to have invasions that can be set for those that are levelled for an example between 0-15, 16-30, 31-50, 51-80, 81-110, 111-130, 130-..

They should be semi random as in they can occur any time of the day but it will not throw out the same one twice during the same day, so if the 0-15 one is done at the beginning of the day it will not happen again for the rest of the day.

It can set two different invasions off at the same time perhaps even 3 depending on how many creatures it should spawn each invasion level.

(Might be so that the lower levelled ones can have fewer invaded creatures lets say 500 and the higher levelled ones might need 1500/2000 creatures, can't remember how many that can be invaded at the same time but there might even be possible to have 3 at the same time).

This should be setup so it will occur at different time zones like US, Europe and Australia(Asia) and set it up at a time that most players will be able to participate in them.

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Nov 16, 2014 16:29:55 GMT 1 Entris said:

Add special invasions that are level restricted by themselves:

I'm afraid those would suffer from the same problem as instances and capped invasions (at least the radu-organised ones) now:
the monsters are geared towards the strong end of the range, and towards the fighter builds. And as long as the caps take into account only a/d, you have the choice between invasions that
- are challenging for the top half of the range, and impossible for the others
- are so easy that the top in the range clear them in five minutes and the others have nothing to do
(perhaps a slight exaggeration, but you get the idea).

Another thing that makes me very reluctant to suggest any kind of invasion right now is the tendency to make them rosto drop fests. Example: last hidden invasion had something like 10 blue dragons in a single combat map, and nasps, castillian .. capped at 145, also single combat.

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Nov 16, 2014 16:25:32 GMT 1 Entris said:

Mini games:

Sorry, but for me that would be a waste of time: there are more than enough simple games available that you can play in a small window besides EL, that I see no need to complicate the client code with mini games within EL (Let's not even start about games that require server support...).

A possibility could be EL-themed independent small games. Those would require permission to use the EL artwork, but could be coded by different people that have no time or interest to work on the client code

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Nov 16, 2014 16:28:37 GMT 1 Entris said:

Updatable Special Armours and Special Ability upgrades:

Special armour #1 gives You an addition of 10 mana as a default.

Using 10k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 2 and the addition of mana will now be +15 mana.

Another 15k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 3 and the addition of mana will now be +20 mana.

and so on to a set amount of levels and + armour. (I am just throwing in some numbers for the idea so You will understand what I mean).


Now the Magical Orbs can be used to change the abilities that the armour has.

This can be a % chance to get one or the other or there can be a set amount of orbs needed to get a set ability change for the special armour:

1st way:

You use 50 Magical Orbs and get a chance to change the Mana ability the armour have to another ability.

This means that You can get Any of the abilities that can be added to the armour and can not chose which one You want but You are able to deny the change if the change is something You do not want but lose the 50 Magical Orbs.

You have Mana but want to change it to the Attack Ability. You use 50 MOs and get a HP ability which You don't want. You use another 50 MOs and hope for the best.

2ns way:

To change the ability to give You better Attack will cost You 50K Magical Orbs and the change is done instantly and can Not be disregarded, You chose to take it and it is definite. Do You want to change to the HP ability instead You will have to spend 30K MOs.

One big potential problem here is the number of new items it generates (unless you link the levels and abilities to the character and not the armour (the armour could still be needed to actually use those special levels and abilities, I hope my meaning is clear here).

1 armour, with 3 levels and 3 abilities would give you 9 (nine) new items (the magic crystals and orbs shouldn't be a problem in themselves), and that goes for weapons as well.

And if you link the levels and abilities to the character, you only need to upgrade the armour once (which is a completely valid option)

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Nov 17, 2014 11:37:23 GMT 1 revi said:

Nov 16, 2014 16:29:55 GMT 1 Entris said:

Add special invasions that are level restricted by themselves:

I'm afraid those would suffer from the same problem as instances and capped invasions (at least the radu-organised ones) now:
the monsters are geared towards the strong end of the range, and towards the fighter builds. And as long as the caps take into account only a/d, you have the choice between invasions that
- are challenging for the top half of the range, and impossible for the others
- are so easy that the top in the range clear them in five minutes and the others have nothing to do
(perhaps a slight exaggeration, but you get the idea).

Another thing that makes me very reluctant to suggest any kind of invasion right now is the tendency to make them rosto drop fests. Example: last hidden invasion had something like 10 blue dragons in a single combat map, and nasps, castillian .. capped at 145, also single combat.

Yeah, perhaps introducing combat levels on all the creatures and make the invasions combat restricted instead of A/D restricted like it is now.

I have always thought that combat restrictions would be better off than A/D restrictions since more things are taken into account then.

Guess we need to remake EL a bit

Yeah that's something that usually keeps me from jumping into invasions too, they start off easy as hell and in a flip of a coin its high levelled monsters everywhere and death is having a party...

Invasions shouldn't be easy but they shouldn't be so damn hard that only the very strong can participate in them. Combat restrictions might be a good way to solve this issue too.

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Nov 17, 2014 11:42:45 GMT 1 revi said:

Nov 16, 2014 16:25:32 GMT 1 Entris said:

Mini games:

Sorry, but for me that would be a waste of time: there are more than enough simple games available that you can play in a small window besides EL, that I see no need to complicate the client code with mini games within EL (Let's not even start about games that require server support...).

A possibility could be EL-themed independent small games. Those would require permission to use the EL artwork, but could be coded by different people that have no time or interest to work on the client code

I see mini games as a way to keep players in EL and not wander off to other windows. If they are in EL the player would also be in EL and they would be more active in EL (as in they would be able to play the game and talk in GM/local/channels/PM and the games could even make the community more active depending on the game ofc).

Sure I got No idea or even a clue as of any technical issues handling them programming them and what not that is needed. All I want to do is find ways to keep ppl in EL and active in EL as it in the end would help EL grow (IMH).

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Nov 17, 2014 12:18:29 GMT 1 revi said:

Nov 16, 2014 16:28:37 GMT 1 Entris said:

Updatable Special Armours and Special Ability upgrades:

Special armour #1 gives You an addition of 10 mana as a default.

Using 10k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 2 and the addition of mana will now be +15 mana.

Another 15k Magic Crystals will upgrade Your armour to Special Armour level 3 and the addition of mana will now be +20 mana.

and so on to a set amount of levels and + armour. (I am just throwing in some numbers for the idea so You will understand what I mean).


Now the Magical Orbs can be used to change the abilities that the armour has.

This can be a % chance to get one or the other or there can be a set amount of orbs needed to get a set ability change for the special armour:

1st way:

You use 50 Magical Orbs and get a chance to change the Mana ability the armour have to another ability.

This means that You can get Any of the abilities that can be added to the armour and can not chose which one You want but You are able to deny the change if the change is something You do not want but lose the 50 Magical Orbs.

You have Mana but want to change it to the Attack Ability. You use 50 MOs and get a HP ability which You don't want. You use another 50 MOs and hope for the best.

2ns way:

To change the ability to give You better Attack will cost You 50K Magical Orbs and the change is done instantly and can Not be disregarded, You chose to take it and it is definite. Do You want to change to the HP ability instead You will have to spend 30K MOs.

One big potential problem here is the number of new items it generates (unless you link the levels and abilities to the character and not the armour (the armour could still be needed to actually use those special levels and abilities, I hope my meaning is clear here).

1 armour, with 3 levels and 3 abilities would give you 9 (nine) new items (the magic crystals and orbs shouldn't be a problem in themselves), and that goes for weapons as well.

And if you link the levels and abilities to the character, you only need to upgrade the armour once (which is a completely valid option)

Didn't think about the new amount of items it would render with the new armours but on the other hand would it really be so bad?

The linking to character (guessing something like: if player wears item X ability 1 will be +5, if player wears item Y ability 2 will be +10 and so on?) it will work too as long as the plat coins MOs and bosses are there

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Nov 19, 2014 20:53:51 GMT 1 Entris said:

Nov 17, 2014 12:18:29 GMT 1 revi said:

1 armour, with 3 levels and 3 abilities would give you 9 (nine) new items (the magic crystals and orbs shouldn't be a problem in themselves), and that goes for weapons as well.

And if you link the levels and abilities to the character, you only need to upgrade the armour once (which is a completely valid option)

Didn't think about the new amount of items it would render with the new armours but on the other hand would it really be so bad?

The linking to character (guessing something like: if player wears item X ability 1 will be +5, if player wears item Y ability 2 will be +10 and so on?) it will work too as long as the plat coins MOs and bosses are there :P

It's not so much the number of items in game, but the number in your store, as you only have 300 slots. And that's not really likely to change any time soon, according to radu. Adding the levels and abilities to the player's character could also cause some problems, but I'd expect not, as he easily added action points and new skills.

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Yeah sto slots can be an issue but on the other hand the new armours would have the same stats as already existing armours but with some extra kick to them so people might be willing to get rid of one set for the other. (I am a hoarder though and would most likely gather all the parts of the new armours and all that but that is my problem and I stand by it )

Anyone else like to jump in here and add something go ahead, if You can read this You can post here